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Joseph Islam shared Twarra Abba's video.

 

SEEK MODERATION

 

It is always useful to remember that from a Quran's perspective, the supplications / prayers of the ‘mushrikeen’ (pagans) were historically, ritualistic and devoid of prayer aspects of true monotheists.

 

This is evident from the Quran itself where God says:

 

008:035
“And their prayer / supplications (Arabic: salatuhum) before the House is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands; taste then the chastisement, for you disbelieved”

 

The prayers of believers / true monotheists should always emphasise moderation:

 

"…Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between" (17:110)
 

 

 

Twarra Abba

can anyone tell me whats going on here?and why?no offense to anyone

 
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    [Name Removed] they look so happy 
     
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    [Name Removed] Shia muslim
     
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    [Name Removed] They're naqshabandis of moulana shaykh nazim haqqani. Sunni Muslims. Nothing mushrikeen going on here. Just innovative. There are many ways to the Almighty. 

    In fact. I bet I'm there somewhere in the background...
     
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    Joseph Islam No charges were made against anyone in the video: 

    The comments shared in the post provided two perspectives from the Quran with a view to seek underlying guidance given the content of the video.

    (1) The Quran's expectation of true monotheists that moderation is key when it comes to prayer / supplications.
    (2) That historically, clapping, whistling etc was the ritualistic style of pagans.

    We can take any good from this that we deem appropriate and put aside anything that we do not want to accept. It is an individual choice.
     
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    [Name Removed] all humans can clap and whistle... it is just a way to express joy... 
    and there is no sin in expressing joy by clapping or whistling
     
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    [Name Removed] In certain areas/applications/situations clapping and whistling is not the way to go. That is what the Quran says.
     
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    [Name Removed] Quran says clapping and whistling is forbidden ?
     
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    [Name Removed] Sure, in certain situations: 008:035
    “And their prayer / supplications (Arabic: salatuhum) before the House is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands; taste then the chastisement, for you disbelieved”
     
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    [Name Removed] doesn't it read that someone's prayer is worth just clapping and whistling???... as in they didnt pray properly or something... what is the verse before this one and what is the verse after this verse? (to clarify this better )
     
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    [Name Removed] Just a good way to have some happiness
     
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    [Name Removed] So, if it was something that met Allah's approval, He would not have pointed it out.
     
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    [Name Removed] from what I can see it reads clearly that an act of prayer of a disbeliever is just worth claps and whistles... it doesn't say clapping and whistling is forbidden... perhaps if we read the verses before this verse and after this verse... and the whole surah the context would be understood better... one cant just pick words and proclaim innocent acts like expressing joy by clapping and whistling are forbidden... and these men dont appear to be praying... they are just enjoying their time and celebrating being who they are...
     
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    [Name Removed] Its all good boys. I'm with these guys. No harm done no haram done.
     
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    [Name Removed] Well, They certainly don't seem celebrating Algeria winning a match during the world cup 
     
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    [Name Removed] looks like a men only flash mob hoping it is not a mosque they could do this some where else
     
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    Joseph Islam Dear [Name Removed]

    If you note the video from 26 seconds ff, you will hear the praising and thanking of God (Alhumdolillah / wa shukr 'lillah) which are utterances which can be deemed a form of supplication, 'in a manner' which 'some' may     find contentious under the scope of verse 17:110.

    Of course, people are entitled to enjoy themselves. This is not the issue here. The only contention that some may have is the use of praises to God in such a manner under the scrutiny of verse 17:110

    "…Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between" (17:110)

    Thank you for sharing your view. Of course, I do not intend to have a wider debate about this. I have humbly and respectfully shared my opinion and I thank you for having shared yours.

    With peace and regards,
    Joseph